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Mitzy's Mom
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| 08/23/2008 4:42 PM |
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I am moving this post from Varnia..originally posted in Rescue under "Giving up your Rat Terrier" can we get her some advice on her PeeWee so she doesn't have to re-home him? I have already suggested that neutering him will help but he also needs some training.
Hello, I have never had the need to write in this site even though I've been a member for a while. The problem that I am having is with my very first baby his name is PeeWee, he is a gorgeous RT and very demanding with the attention. I have a second dog (PeeWee's daughter - her name is Dutchess). PeeWee was borned on June 21st 2003 and Dutchess on November 4th 2004, PeeWee is pure breed (no papers) but Dutchess is mix Rat but not sure what the other breed would be. The problem is that PeeWee has become very aggressive, he has bitten my son when he tried to pet him and myself a couple of times, this is been happening when my son's girlfriend gave him a dashhound puppy as a present, his name is Baby Ace. I know RT are very possessive and territorial, PeeWee has not been neuter/spade (forgot which is the one is used for the male) but Dutchess is, the other dog is not either. I am seriously thinking of giving PeeWee up since I believe he doesn't care for me as his owner since he has bitten me, I can't understand him, I have not lacked the attention to him at all, at the contrary I assure him by spending more time with him alone that the other dogs. Dutchess is so sweet, she just takes what you give her. The other dog, I hardly spend the time with.
Can someone please give some advise, I have cried so much this morning since this last episode with PeeWee, it hurts my feelings that he bites me, I have nursed him and loved him so much for him do this betrayal...(I know you might say he is a dog, he doesn't know, but he is very smart, he knows what he did I see it in his eyes) to me he is MY BABY. PLEASE HELP! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 08/23/2008 4:49 PM |
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And Varnia, please don't be hurt by his biting you...as much as we like to think of these dogs as our "babies" they are indeed - dogs. And being dogs they think differently than us and have different instincts and reactions. He is just trying to find his place in the household with a new puppy there...he needs strong leadership from you at this time. He needs to know that he is still #1 and that his position isn't threatened by the pup but he also needs to know you will not tolerate any agressiveness from him. First step - neuter him AND the puppy to get those hormones under control.
As I said on the other thread we have an excellent Training Moderator who will see this (she's very busy and it might take a day or 2!) and several other members who give very good training advice. Sometimes it gets quiet on here on weekends but these members will check in and have some advice for you! Hang in there...this is not a problem you need to give up your dog for! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 08/24/2008 1:12 PM |
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| Bumping for any advice from members~ |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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melo
Terrier Terror
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| 08/24/2008 1:47 PM |
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I don't know much but I have a question--was it a real bite--did it break skin? Or was it a defensive nip? I would hardly think of giving up a dog that gave a nip, but if it was a truely vicious act then I would take some type of action ASAP
My nora has never bit or niped anyone at anytime, she is all about love. BUT--When I tried to take a chicken bone away from her that she wanted, she gave me a nice good bite. Did not break any skin, but it was totally out of character and I firmly reprimanded her after that.
I feel that she is a human, but she is a DOG--that said when human are in terrible deprivation, they have been known to act just as badly--
So I try to keep chicken away from her as I doubt that she will ever learn to be civilized about it )
See what the experts have to say--wish you luck
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Nora's mommie --
www.melodybreyer-grell.com
Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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melo
Terrier Terror
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| 08/24/2008 1:48 PM |
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| Ps RT's are no more terratorial than chiuwawas heheh |
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Nora's mommie --
www.melodybreyer-grell.com
Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 08/24/2008 2:36 PM |
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| It's very difficult to assess a situation like this without additional information. What was going on when the bites happened? ANY clue what triggered the behavior? |
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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vamia
Newbie
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| 08/25/2008 9:26 PM |
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Yes he ripped the skin from my hand and my son's lip before me but at different times.
Thank you for your comment, I am already checking on getting him fixed it was my first mistake thinking that I could breed him he is such a beautiful dog, but I couldn't ever find someone locally that would like to breed him. I will try to send a picture of my beautiful baby PeeWee.
Again I thank you for your help.
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vamia
Newbie
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| 08/25/2008 9:30 PM |
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That is exactly why I am so surprised he did that. The other 2 dogs were away in their crate and he was in the sofa alone with me, I gave him a bone and he went to the floor, he left the bone and came back to me and laid flat I was rubbing his tummy, and all around his head...then it happened.
Thanks for taking the time to help me understand.
Maria |
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vamia
Newbie
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| 08/25/2008 9:34 PM |
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Mitzy's Mom, thank you so much for the time you have taken to help me. I know that he is not human and for that can't think and act as such, and yes I will wait to see what the Training Moderator saids. I have however taken the steps to see if I can get PeeWee fix and see how he behaves after.
Maria |
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cjay
Ratastic
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| 08/25/2008 10:24 PM |
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Was it a certain time of day? after supper or a meal?
You mentioned it happened when you were rubbing him, could he have a sore or got a bruise or hurt somehow?
Good luck with PeeWee (that was my aunt's nickname when she was growing up..) Hang in there, like MaryBeth said. |
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singingpilgrim
Ratastic
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| 08/26/2008 1:12 AM |
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I would guess that the dog is hurting, probably around the head, but maybe not... I know Sophie will growl sometimes when you touch where would be called armpits in a human, and that's a tender area. I just tell her no, though... But maybe there's a tender area, and perhaps someplace where he's been hurt repeatedly? He's a rescue, you don't know his full past?
Anyway, I hope you can figure it out and keep the pup! And bless you for taking him in in the first place! |
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Pamela
~Sophia Abigail's Mom~
Ratbones Rescue Volunteer |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 08/26/2008 4:34 AM |
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Hi Maria, I think neutering him is a good first step. While he's at the vet's maybe have them check him over for any soreness he may have that would have caused him to bit?
Meanwhile, any other details about how it happened, how it happened with your son and details about his place in the household will help Nora and others give better advice. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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rattytatty
Training Moderator
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| 08/26/2008 7:37 AM |
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I agree -- neutering him will be a good first step, although it's highly unlikely that it will solve 100% of any aggression issues IF in fact it is an aggression issue. I can't establish that from what has been posted.... I'm handicapped by not being there to see what triggered the behavior... so any advice I can offer will be limited at best... sorry. It sounds like a big part of the problem might be that you now have two unneutered males in the household, which in and of itself lends itself to situations that did not previously exist prior to the other dog coming on the scene. So yes... getting PeeWee neutered is something that should have been a long time ago.
As far as specifics as to why PeeWee chose to bite you? I have no clue. I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, so I cannot know what triggered this behavior. I agree though that you should have him checked out at the vet when you take him to have him neutered, to make sure no soreness exists and that there are no other medical issues that would have contributed to this behavior.
If there are no medical issues... then I beg you to give the dog a chance. Have him neutered and allow TIME for his hormones to settle down (after all.. he is 5 years old and this won't happen overnight). You should see a gradual decline in any aggressive behavior. Be firm in your commands to him... you need to be the leader so that he doesn't challenge you. Dogs are highly social animals. In order to survive as a pack (and yes... the humans are part of the pack) there needs to be some structure.
There are four general steps to becoming the alpha in your household.
1. Control the games you play with your dog.
2. Control the food and feeding times.
3. Control the sleeping areas.
4. Control the social contact between you and your dog.
Feed your dog once or twice a day. Have your dog do a short sit-stay for meals. This way you communicate that you are in charge of the food and feeding times.
You can allow PeeWee on the couch and bed if you want to.... but your dog has to understand that you are in control of the sleeping areas. If he is on the couch and you give the command "Off" he should immediately jump off the couch. If he doesn't... then place him off the couch and say "off". Eventually he will understand if you keep doing this.
From this day forward, you're going to teach PeeWee that he is a "dog," not a miniature human being in a furry suit. His mother taught him how to be a dog once and how to take orders. Along the way, through lack of training or misunderstood intentions, he's forgotten. With your help, he's going to remember what he is and how he fits into the world. Before long, he's even going to like it!
Again... please don't give up on Pee Wee. This behavior is very correctable, but it's up to you to make it happen.
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~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 08/26/2008 8:13 AM |
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| Thanks for the great advice (as usual!) Nora! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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bigdawg04
Rattie
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| 08/27/2008 7:05 PM |
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More Neuter Neuter Neuter talk, of course that will solve all and any problems they will ever have, they will be nothing but pure amazing after Neuter Neuter Neuter , LOL. Get ready to loose your jewels little guys |
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bigdawg04
Rattie
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| 08/27/2008 7:07 PM |
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Instead of neutering right off the bat, try taking them outside together and letting them get a bit use to each other |
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Damon |
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bigdawg04
Rattie
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| 08/27/2008 7:11 PM |
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Nora you realy do have some very good suggestios, thanks for sharing, I'm going to try a couple of them with mine |
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Morgan
Ratastic
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| 08/27/2008 7:46 PM |
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Posted By bigdawg04 on 08/27/2008 7:05 PM
More Neuter Neuter Neuter talk, of course that will solve all and any problems they will ever have, they will be nothing but pure amazing after Neuter Neuter Neuter , LOL. Get ready to loose your jewels little guys
Damon, this post was started for advice. There is no reason for you to speak down upon others advice to Maria. I believe she can read everyone's response and use her own judgment. Let's not start a debate on neutering and whether it helps or not again...this is not the place for it. No response or explanation needed, lets just continue with positive advice for Maria.
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-Morgan (Bella's Mommy) |
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bigdawg04
Rattie
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| 08/28/2008 6:30 PM |
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No response or explanation needed, lets just continue with positive advice for Maria.
And Ms. Morgan the Moderator I gave a bit of advice and took some good advice.Shame on me for talking about not neutering. Oh but try to shut people up when they talk non neutering, lol, sorry but not I. And for yourself I have taken part of the neutering advice as much as I'm again'st it and scheduled an appointment for one of our terriers, not both. But until you ban me from the site, which I'm sure you will (Since you are the almighty moderator)for saying no to neutering I will speak my peace. Wow some of you are easy to fire up You have a great day |
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