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Cottage_Rose



05/23/2008 9:35 PM  

I have a 3 month month old Decker RT.
As I recall when reading the breed standard online it says the DRT ears 
should be up by 3 months and I think I also read (not sure where) to tape them if they aren't.  
The breeder told me it can take up to 6 months so I'm not sure what to think not being familiar with this breed.
Having a lot of experience in the past with cropped Great Dane ears I glued a foam pad in her ear and tape them up yesterday but today she was crying if I touched her ears do I took the stuff out of her ears and the skin was irritated and red.
I cleaned them out and put some antibiotic ointment in her ears and didn't re-do them. 
She's fine but now I'm wondering what to do about the up or down ear situation.
Both her parents have button ears. 
I assume its genetic but was hoping to encourage her ears to go up.
Any advise appreciated.


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kp_in_scott


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/23/2008 9:39 PM  
If your rattie's parents ears are button, your ratties ears will most likely be buttoned. I've never heard to tape the ears. I'd leave hear ears alone. "Ear Wars" sometimes go on for a few months. Button ears are pretty cute to me. We'd love to see some photos. Puppy pictures are especially appreciated around here.

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie mix and one sweet Toy Rattie and a house full of parrots
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
05/23/2008 9:42 PM  
welcome tot the site!!! we would love to see pictures!!!
as far as I know, both types of ears are accepted in this breed. Also, I know that some of them go through the "ears wars" for longer than 6 months before they settle in! Good luck....I wouldn't do anything to encourage them to stand, especially if its bothering her....its not a big deal to me, I have ine pup with standing ears and one with button ( so far) love them either way...thats just my opinion of course!!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

Emg


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/23/2008 9:42 PM  
It can take a few months for the ears to go up. Some start to have 'ear wars', were one ear will go up, then back down, and so forth.
I've never heard of anyone taping a RATTIE's ears before. Sorry it went so badly, but glad to hear that she's fine now!

Sara, Sam's mommy
Cottage_Rose



05/23/2008 10:37 PM  

Well I would prefer Shelby's ears up but not going to make a big issue out of it.
Would still like to hear from thiose who have taped ears to make a button ear erect.

Couldn't figure out how to post pics in the message so here's a link to a few pics of my new DRT
http://www.fototime.com/inv/383FEEB5AB553CA


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http://www.freewebs.com/cottage_rose_birdsnblossoms/
kp_in_scott


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/24/2008 8:26 AM  
She is a lovely pup! I love the one of her stretched out on top of her crate!

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie mix and one sweet Toy Rattie and a house full of parrots
Paul


Feisty
Feisty
05/24/2008 8:44 AM  

Welcome to the group.  Your little puppy (little for awhile, anyway--haha) is adorable!  I have never heard of anyone taping a rattie's ears to make them stand.  Ears are acceptable either buttoned or erect.  I have 2 ratties and Lucy has buttoned ears, and Bo has erect ears.  They are both close to 3 years old now, and that's just the way their ears are.  I know that ears are taped to encourage standing on dobies, danes, boxers, schnauzers, etc AFTER surgically cropping (I also have a doberman with cropped ears) but I just didnt think that anyone actually taped ears that had not been cropped to make them stand on any breed.  Of course, I sure dont know all there is to know about ears, dogs, or anything else for that matter, so maybe it's a common practice, but I have never heard of it.

Again, welcome to the site!  Hope to see more of your little fur-baby!


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Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2008 8:44 AM  
Shelby is so cute, I love the pic of her sitting on the stool.

~Nancy~
aka Bailey's Mom
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/24/2008 8:19 PM  
You don't "tape" a rat terrier's ears. They'll either be erect or not. Doesn't matter that the parents had erect ears...if the grandparents had button then it's in the family tree. They are cute either way.

Taping her little ears and making them sore is just rather mean....especially to do just to achieve a certain "look". I doubt it would work anyway.

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

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rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/24/2008 8:21 PM  
Mary Beth is correct... you don't tape (or glue) a rat terrier's ears. They will be what they will be....

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
Cottage_Rose



05/25/2008 3:23 PM  

I can't remember where I read about taping DRT ears...maybe on the breed registry website or on a breeders website. 
I had Great Danes for many years and don't feel cropping or taping their ears was "mean".
None of them were traumatized by the process. 
Is tail docking mean? 
Mean is subjective.


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Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/25/2008 3:38 PM  

Now that is a great looking pup!

And he is a pup... the ears may go up and maybe not.  IMHO, RT ears are a bit disproportionate to their bodies, so I like the buttoned down look more.  Murphy's ears are buttoned, though they raise (mostly) when he's alert.   It's accepted in the breed for the ears to be either way.  I'd suggest you just let the genetics decide how his ears should go, and just enjoy him.

Noodles n Me


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/25/2008 3:49 PM  
Your right mean is subjective. Pain is not. I think the message here is tapeing ears is not nessary for this breed. That button or erect ears are both accepted standards for Rats, and there would be no reason to put your rattie through the discomfort of tapeing for that reason. She is a beauty though!

There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!!
cat
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/25/2008 3:59 PM  
Many breeders are getting away from docking tails and cropping ears. In the european countries... it's not common. In fact, in the World Agility trials... dogs with docked tails are forbidden to compete. Some breeds are more apt to have it done (dobermans, boxers... for example)... but even with those breeds, it's becoming a matter of choice. In the UK, ear cropping was banned over a century ago.
My personal opinion is that if it serves no useful purpose.... why do it?
That having been said.... rat terriers is not one of the breeds who has cropped ears, and tail docking is even becoming less common.

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
tiggarat


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/25/2008 5:46 PM  
Both of my ratties are deckers, and they have button ears. I think erect ears on deckers are pretty rare...usually the smaller ratties have erect ears. At least, I haven't seen that many decker's with erect ears. Either her ears will stand up on their own, or they won't...don't force it. You'll love her no matter what, right?

Lisabeth

furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.

"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith
Cottage_Rose



05/25/2008 11:27 PM  
Thank you all for you comments on Shelbys pics.
Shes growing into a rather handsome girl if I do say myself.

Of course I will love her if her ears are up or down.
I honestly didn't think anything of it, just going on what i read.
I'm totally new to this breed and Decker's in particular were previously totally unknown to me, so you could of told me anything about the breed and I would of believed it.
For all I knew taping DRT ears to encourage them to be erect was a routine as tail docking.

I personally do not feel dew claw removal, cropping or docking is cruel.
We all know originally it was done to prevent hunting dogs ears and/or tails from being ripped off but
today its a breed style and enhances the appearance of their heads.
I've had enough Great Dane puppies with their ears cropped to know it didn't do anything to traumatize
their little puppy brains.
To me Great Dane's look regal and majestic with their ears cropped.
Uncropped, rather dorky.
And I can't imagine a Doberman without cropped ears and tails.
Its all a matter of personal preference and beliefs.

Cottage Rose Birds n' Blossoms
http://www.freewebs.com/cottage_rose_birdsnblossoms/
tiggarat


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/26/2008 3:27 AM  

my dobie has natural ears...we had another dobie (her great-uncle) whose ears were butchered...they took too much of the ear off, and the ears never stood up...I don't think there was enough of the ear left to stand up.  poor guy.  so when we got Rosie, we decided to not have her's done, although she does have a docked tail.

just because you can't imagine a dobie with natural ears, here's Rosie, my red dobie


Lisabeth

furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.

"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith
melo


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/30/2008 11:54 PM  
grass is greener syndrome on my part for sure. I wanted nora's ears to stay buttoned but after a few weeks of ear wars, she looks like a donkey her ears are so big and high--heheh--got to get some new pics up--And I was not thrilled that her tail was docked, but I have to admit that I love the look of that now.
My final neurotic fear is that she will get big and thick--I like the runts the best--

This is funny--i was talking to my husband about cutting down on her food and I think she understood my conversation, becasue she started barking like never before and nipping and insisted on getting more food!!! I think I just created an eating disorder--Poor girl--I should probably get another one do I don't obsess over her so much--

melo

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Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/31/2008 4:58 AM  
That is one sweet looking pup! I would love to have a Decker eventually! We do have an Old English Sheepdog rescue that has a tail. It is a lovely tail..nothing wrong with it. He was a preemie when he was born and not viable at 3 days when they dock. He is now a 111# baby....with a burdock magnet!

Maureen Mom to Abby, Barkley and Reggie..and cat Sarah Jane

Scratch a dog and you'll find a permanent job. ~Franklin P. Jones

Emg


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/31/2008 9:34 AM  
Docking tails isn't wrong if you do it at the right time, aka a few days after they are born. The nerves haven't even developed completely when they are that young, so they don't feel anything. (so I've heard, looking into it) And cropping ears isn't so bed either, if it's done by a vet. (I once saw a puppy with mutilated ears and tangled stitches in them because someone tried to do it on their own) And taping ears isn't painful usually...I've seen a few dogs with their ears taped, and they could care less. She probably just had some kind of reaction to the glue you used, which caused her ears to be irritated.
And I like dogs with erect ears as well, like Ibizan Hounds, German Shepherds, and Corgis. I think it adds character!

Sara, Sam's mommy
Amy


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
06/01/2008 5:50 PM  

Your Shelby is absolutely beautiful! As far as cropping, docking, taping, there will always be very strong opinions on both sides. My opinion is that none of it is necessary unless you are showing and you NEED to follow a standard. If this is just a family pet than there is no neccesity. If you do NEED to or simply WANT to I feel that it should be done by a professional. Have you checked with your vet?


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Rattie
Rattie
06/02/2008 5:43 AM  
Leave the ears be. Why would you tape the ears if they don't go up on their own?
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