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Rattie
Rattie
12/31/2009 2:17 AM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
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Saffyra


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/05/2011 4:01 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
I don't have kids but I do have rat terriers that interact with children very well. Granted none of them have been only one year old. I think three was the youngest and we very carefully instructed him on how to pet the dog, with his body facing the same direction as the dog and being very gentle. It was very non confrontational for my pup and he allowed himself to be pet and then wandered away when he was done. The child was instructed not to follow the dog if he wanted to walk away. And this has always been under supervision. If there are any kids around under the age of 12, I make sure that I'm always there to make sure nothing bad happens. And that includes telling one kid that no, he couldnt pick up my dog, I didnt care what his mom said or what he said, he was NOT allowed to pick him up because the dog obviously was uncomfortable.

My best friend has a five year old that my older rat terrier LOVES! They will play hide and seek for hours, Dexter will even do his tricks for him. We introduced them by giving the 5 year old a handful of treats and Dexter got one every time he came near. The treat was held out very carefully and after a few times of this, they were inseparable.

But three and five are ages where this kind of thing can be (somewhat) explained and demonstrated. At one year old, it seems like it would be more difficult to teach how to react to and interact with a dog.

Im not sure under what circumstances your baby girl was snapped at under but if you think back you may be able to pinpoint what went wrong and led to snapping. You say he didnt break skin which means he does have good bite inhibition (which is VERY good, imo). It could have been a warning like OW what you did just hurt me, let me help you remember not to do that again type of thing. Or he could have been nervous and out of his comfort zone. If he growls I would remove him from the situation.

Hopefully, as she gets older everything will work out. I'm not a pro or anything, I can only say what has happened with me and my specific dogs. I can only suggest to watch each time they interact because she's too young right now to know what will hurt a dog and what won't. And hopefully your furbabies will get used to her, too, so that you don't worry about rehoming.

My cousins chihuahua bit her baby in the face, blood and everything, and the chihuahua was immediately given away to a family member.

Sarah-Mommy to Dexter and Bugsy
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bkfrazer


Obsessed
Obsessed
05/05/2011 4:20 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
Thank you for your advice. My dog has been around older children and been fine. I think that once my daughter gets older and understands how to treat dogs things will be ok. I will just have to keep a close watch when they are together and teach my daughter to leave him alone. I can tell that both of my dogs are jealous of her and fight for attention. That is horrible about your cousin's chihuahua and that they had to give her away. I would never want to get rid of my dogs. People told me before I had the baby that my feelings would change towards my dogs but they have not.

Brandi-Cody and Jake's Mom

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bkfrazer


Obsessed
Obsessed
05/05/2011 4:27 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
Also I'm glad to know that he does have good bite inhibition and didn't break her skin. That makes me think that he would not try to hurt her on purpose.

Brandi-Cody and Jake's Mom

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desert*rats


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/05/2011 5:54 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  

Sarah's advice is right on the money. Children and dogs can be the best of friends, but both child and dogs need to be taught to calmly accept one another, with respect...and all interaction MUST be under adult supervison.  The dogs should always have a place of their own, out of the child's reach, where they can retreat to if they do not want to be bothered.

Much as we love our dogs and consider them to be members of the family, you never ever trust any animal 100%...they may be predictable 99% of the time, but that other 1% always has to be on your mind. And when children are involved, the safety of the child always comes first...it's sad to think about having to rehome a child-aggressive dog, but even sadder to see a child injured and possibly scarred for life from a dog bite...and unfortunately, children often get bitten in the face. A friend's son got nailed in the face by the family dog as a toddler, and required numerous surgeries to repair the damage. (The dog was immediately placed in a home without children.)

Hopefully, with supervision and training, your daughter and the dogs will learn to get along. As she gets older, and understands more how to gently pet and play with the doggies and give them treats, the doggies might come around to think that this little kid with the handfuls of goodies might not be so bad after all!

 


Doreen & The MicroRatz

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mhass7185


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/05/2011 7:10 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
My baby is 18 months old so I think I can offer some help here!

When we first adopted Pepper, she growled and backed away from him. I never let them be unsupervised, because I know Caleb had no earthly clue what to do (or not to do). So I began by holding her on my lap, and saying, "Nice Pepper!", while I held my sons hand and ran it over her back. She's not allowed to growl on my back so she just froze in fear. But I also put my thumb in the palm of the baby's hand so that he couldn't, while petting her, just grab her. It taught both of them how to interact; removed some of the fear off Pepper and taught Caleb that he needed to be gentle with her.

The bonding REALLY began when Caleb began feeding Pepper, as much as I wasn't happy about it (LOL). Pepper goes up to Caleb's high chair, and he will say "Pepper!" and throw food down at her. Even now that Caleb KNOWS not to do it, he will sneak her some of his food ALL THE TIME. Not his veggies either, but his steak, or meatballs too LOL. To the point where I kennel her if he's eating now. And after he is done, he walks around the house with food all over his face and hands and Pepper licks it off. He just sits there and giggles his head off while Pepper cleans his face! He loves doggie kisses and Pepper loves human left-overs. I say all this to say that if you could teach your 1 yr old to give your ratties treats (dog treats, preferably!), even if she just tosses it at them, it might help. I tried giving Caleb treats to feed Pepper and he popped it in his mouth and swallowed it (eek!) I believe it was a soft chewie, beef and veggies dog treat too. He made funny faces like, "This doesn't taste good, mama!" but swallowed it before my finger sweep took it out of his mouth.

Pepper doesn't really want to play w/ Caleb yet, and Caleb doesn't always show interest, but they both co-exist peacefully (under supervision) w/o growling. Caleb can run around Pepper without it startling her. I've seen him fling his arms in excitement around her face when she is on the couch and she just jumps away but doesn't react with fearful or aggressive indications.

♪†♫~MâRíA~♫†♪
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allnew2me


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/05/2011 7:49 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  

Jubal is good with older children, but he seems to be simultaneously attracted and repelled by toddlers.  When there's one around -- which is hardly ever -- he wants me to hold him, and then he watches their every move.  He'll wag his tail, and wiggle like he'd like to play with them, but it always comes down to his being somewhat frightened.  In his defense, every one he's ever seen has been at a barn or the farm, where they're always running amok and untrammeled.


"If you don't own a dog, at least one, there is not necessarily anything wrong with you, but there may be something wrong with your life.” (Roger Caras)

Shirley -- Jubal's mom-person
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Puck954


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/07/2011 7:37 AM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
My mom was baby-sitting an 8 month old the other day and Puck didn't know what it was! When I first got him I was in Tallahassee, a complete college town, where he never even saw an older kid. Now that I am back home my little cousins are around and he isn't sure what to think about these mini-humans. When the older kids run around he usually runs to me and stays in my lap. With the baby he was so curious it was hard to keep him away from her. I didnt let him get too close just in case but Puck seemed more in awe then anything else. It was pretty funny.


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Sadie'sDad


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/07/2011 9:42 AM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  

I've always read that Ratties are good with kids if they've been raised with them.  When I got Sadie she was 8 months old and living with a woman who had a 14 month old boy.  Ever since, she's been amazing with kids.  She would never snap or bite them, even if they pulled her ears or tail (I'm amazed, but of course don't let kids do that, but if they did, I know she would just back away).  It's now been over 3 years and she's the same with kids she meets (which is fairly often).  So much so, that the other day we were out on our walk and Sadie pulled me across the street to see  a grandmother and her grandchild.  (I explained how Sadie used to live with a 14 month old boy and likes kids and the woman looked at me in suprise and said "my grandson is 14 months old!"...  so I even have to wonder if Sadie is still "looking for him..."   They are even smarter than we give them credit for.)

 

 


Sadie's Dad (Richard)
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Saffyra


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/09/2011 10:49 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
Just thought I'd post this in case you look again.

At my obedience class today, I received a handout with a book recommendation on it.

Childproofing your Dog by Brian Kilcommons and Sarah Wilson
~A complete guide to preparing your dog for the children in your life. Important topics covered, including training an older dog to accept an infant and avoiding dog/toddler problems. Guidelines for teaching kids dog care and safety rules, and kid-taught tricks.

Sarah-Mommy to Dexter and Bugsy
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Petals


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
06/13/2011 10:22 AM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  
I had a bad experience with Rylee this weekend. She acted horrible around my cousin's daughter, who is 7 years old. Millie was great but she is very sociable by nature, Rylee seems to be a more nervous puppy. They were visiting from out of state, so sadly she won't be able to visit and maybe we could get Rylee more comfortable, so I'm sort of sad. I hate to recruit kids but I might have to in order to get Rylee less aggressive.

I honestly don't understand why she was so nervous with the little girl. She did fine if I was sitting with her and we both pet her, I gave N some popcorn as a treat to share with them, and that was fine but any other time she growled and barked at her. She even chased her out of the yard when N stepped outside while I was playing with Rylee.

Mom to Rylee AKA "Sock Monster" or "The Collector"
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Blue's Momma


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
06/13/2011 3:34 PM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  

I think the smaller and more delicately built the dog, the more nervous they are around little people that make sudden moves. I think the dog somehow knows that they might get hurt, even accidently. Toddlers, especially can look a bit wobbly. If I was a little dog and saw someone much bigger than me coming toward me on unsteady feet, I might be a little nervous too.

If I had thought about it when Blue was little, I would have socialized him with small children very early on. Perhaps you have friends with younger children or maybe the park with children who have dogs and know how to behave around them?

I have noticed a lot of adults don't teach their children proper manners around doggies they don't know. When we go to PetsMart or are traveling, I can't tell you how many times I have had to keep little ones from just grabbing Blue or sticking their hands or faces in his face. Heck, adults have done the same thing. (I  think it's the little dog thing. They're just so cute.) Blue likes to be asked or waits for a cue from me. I'll hear, "Look a puppy!" then see a little person come bounding over. I generally just scoop up Blue and make proper introductions. Blue will even just jump up to me. He knows Momma will protect him.

So I go into teacher mode and explain how to behave and what to do (to the parent to, even if they are oblivious).

I'm sure a little time on both sides will help.


Jerriann - Blue's Momma
Manny's wife, Jaime and Jade's mom, and resident zookeeper to a variety of dogs, cats, horses, goats, sheep, fish, chickens, and a cockatiel.

"If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans" ~ James Herriot
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Petals


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
06/29/2011 9:54 AM RE: Rat Terriers and Children  

Alright it's me again. *sigh*  My Mom is keeping a friend's kids for the rest of the summer while they work. They are 5 and 11 years, the 5 year old is a bit scared of Rylee because she's is petrified of them. My Mom says she spent most of yesterday squished under one bed or the other. She barks at them, jumps if they make a move, she gets to shaking as well.

I don't want her to be miserable and it's too hot for them to be outside all day.


Mom to Rylee AKA "Sock Monster" or "The Collector"
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